Fel wrote: That's exactly what they're planning to do. So, that's a cookie for SYED.
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Fel wrote: That's exactly what they're planning to do. So, that's a cookie for SYED.
No, all you have to do to be a legal military combatant is organize and refrain from acts against the laws of war. Let us not confuse this with the UN Law Of the Sea treaty which has more to do with international governing of the sea.dellstart wrote:silly question.
If your not a recognized nation or entity and you start sinking ships or disabling them , isn't that piracy or terrorism ? I am looking at it from a legal , not moral stand point.Hence the rules of engagement might be different ,but what do I know.
BUT... It might technically be considdered an 'act of war' and allow China to claim that the Dragons started it. Once that claim hits the news cycle it could cause problems for the dragons, and Americans, as nothing they could release would prove otherwise. The problem with being very good hackers, is that it's synonymous with being good forgers. In fact, the more realistic the 'fake chinese documents' are, the longer the dragons must have been working on it, which makes their attack on the chinese navy obviously premeditated...hoppy wrote:No, all you have to do to be a legal military combatant is organize and refrain from acts against the laws of war. Let us not confuse this with the UN Law Of the Sea treaty which has more to do with international governing of the sea.
Actually several countries around the world lay claim to portions of the continental shelf and the seas above them. In fact China and several South East Asian countries are disputing claims on just such oceanic territories at the present time. As well as that there are various claims by various countries about extended portions of the Arctic Ocean, not to mention the claims and counter claims being made by Great Britain and Argentina about the oil rights off Argentina and the Falkland Islands.ANTIcarrot wrote:. . . Claiming a large part of the sea is also somewhat problematic . . .
If the UN does make such a declaration, China would probably Veto the motion - that alone would be an excuse for defensive action by the Dragons. Now I'm not a lawyer, so I can't say if such a defensive action would be legal under International Law, but ships do sink and they do lose their propulsion systems, so since the Water Dragons don't leave a sonar shadow and don't need to appear above water to take any defensive or offensive action, what proof would China have that they were even attacked ? ? ?ANTIcarrot wrote:A UN declaration on the equality of humans and dragons will probably pass without question, though the UN doesn't do anything quickly . . .
I think you are confusing the concepts of Territorial Waters and Exclusive Economic Zone. If the dragons simply want an EEC, fine. But they sem to want to control acces to the ocean itself within the EEC. That's simply not allowed. Principly because of all those other nations that want to do exactly that, and noone will be willing to set a precident. Even if the UN recognises their claim, they are required under the same treaty they are using to make the claim, to allow the passage of 'innocent commercial and military vessels'. Which includes Chinese warships 'on exercise' if the situation arises.GBLW wrote:Actually several countries around the world lay claim to portions of the continental shelf and the seas above them.
China only gets veto power in the security council. In the general assembally a simple two-thirds majority for 'important questions' is all that's required.If the UN does make such a declaration, China would probably Veto the motion
If China wanted to veto they'd use a patsy. And they may not need to do that. Giving human rights to another species is going to create all sorts of problems. I can think of multiple nations that might object to 'lizards being given special treatment over real human beings'. Especially in the developing world.that alone would be an excuse for defensive action by the Dragons.
You're obviously not a statistician either. 20 ships don't mysterious suffer the same fault within minutes of each other without intelligent action. China almost certainly also has the ability to track 'dead space' in the ocean, which is what 100% stealth actually looks like on modern sonar. Given the nature of the damage there woudl be a strong prima facie case that only dragons could have done this. The dragons would either admit it (an act of war) or refuse to answer to worthless human organisations (which could get them thrown out of the UN) or coming up with some kind of 'obviously fabricated' story about China have an ancient library of secret magic which humans can't be trusted with, and becoming jealous of the translation programme which was only supplied to the americans in secret... (Whoops! Were we not supposed to mention those two things?)but ships do sink and they do lose their propulsion systems, so since the Water Dragons don't leave a sonar shadow and don't need to appear above water to take any defensive or offensive action, what proof would China have that they were even attacked ? ? ?
Nope, I'm just an old retired engineer, however I do know a 'little' about ship design and just how easy it is to disable a vessel.ANTIcarrot wrote:You're obviously not a statistician either. 20 ships don't mysterious suffer the same fault within minutes of each other without intelligent action.